awesome...does your mommy know you're on the interweb, tough guy?
dan
· 1 year ago
so that's how you sell your album... really beautiful...
Darren
· 1 year ago
Nah, I don't expect to sell anything...that's the point. I'm the little guy. Without the PR mu$cle to get NYTimes coverage when I give my music away, it is seen as somehow lacking in importance.
Take a brand built with millions of Interscope benjamins, though, and millions will download an instrumental album. Seriously, an instrumental album?
PenelopeVon
· 1 year ago
I'm sure you've heard that instrumental album -- you probably, therefore, know that it is excellent.
BTW, Darren, didn't you breathlessly blog about TR releasing the Slip on your blog. About music. Good music. Really good music? Didn't you also blog about your personal "faves" therein?
And, your release is lacking in importance because, quite frankly, it is not very good.
Don't compare yourself to NIN. Its a lose/lose proposition.
MahouGirl
· 1 year ago
Yeah, dude, an instrumental album. Ever heard of Pelican? It's not that alien of a concept.
MahouGirl
· 1 year ago
This is a really bitter post, dude. I'm all for indie, but this sounds more like personal sour grapes than a really argument against Trent Reznor's attempted business model.
I'd be happy to give your album $5, and take your argument seriously if it was not pedestrian power-pop, which has never been my cup of tea.
And you conveniently neglect to mention Ministry's first album, With Sympathy, which is essentially homogenized 80's european techno-pop - and is WAY better than Land of Rape and Honey.
Darren
· 1 year ago
I adore With Sympathy for what it is. I like Twitch better than both Sympathy and Rape. After that, admittedly, Ministry became a cartoon.
34234
· 1 year ago
man did you have a bad day and took it out on NIN
Darren
· 1 year ago
Nah, I'm just not a fan of Trent's approach or his continual whining about how tough it has been for him. "Waaaah, my label's footing the bill for my huge tour while I badmouth them in the press...my advance check only had six zeroes in it...I can't wait to be free of contractual obligations." Yada yada yada.
Completely calculated to come across as the little guy when, in truth, he's as "big money corporate rock" as they come.
Stephe
· 1 year ago
excellent marketing technique
sushis
· 1 year ago
IAWTC!
A+++++++++++++ E-BAY SELLER!
eap
· 1 year ago
I was gonna give you as little slack dude because, hell, I got my phone cut-of again today and sometimes people with money just piss me off too (whether they deserve my anger or not), but then I listened to your music. And I'm sorry to say this.....but you suck dude. That's some of the most boring, derivative pop-crap I've ever heard.
PenelopeVon
· 1 year ago
Let me get this straight, you dislike Trent Reznor because he makes money and has artisitic and commercial success? You dislike him because he doesn't have to lug his own gear and sleep in flea-bag hotels, miles from the shitty venue you personally booked yourself at? Hmmm. You piss and moan because he can afford more production than you? And, the best part, you whine like a little boy because he has fans that enjoy his work? Really?
You then post your *ahem* music in hopes of making a few dollars yourself? Really?
(BTW, if you're not a fan, how can you pretend to know what they do or do not do?).
FAIL.
anon
· 1 year ago
FAIL quit being jealous and try something original you cock smoker.
Luzrette
· 1 year ago
Um, what do you really know about Trent anyway ? He's not indie, sir. He's just free of label.
What a load of rubbish this is. Do you even realise that when under Interscope, Reznor paid for the Fragility tours out of his own pocket because they refused to fund a tour for him after the relative initial commercial flop of The Fragile ?
Trent isn't claiming to be 'Indie', he's just glad to be free of record label restrictions and doing things his own way. If anything Reznor's message is that of a closer relationship between fan and artist, yes he'll charge for certain things, but they'd have been a hell of a lot more with Interscope and have taken longer to reach the fans.
Reznor's message is that the record industry as it stands is fundamentally corrupt and decadent and he's trying to find ways of going a different way for established artists (he has expressed his doubts about how new artists can go this way), he's not trying to live the life of an 'Indie' artist sponging off his girlfriend (..which is just sad by the way), he's trying to establish a 'Third Way' between the label option and the pure Indie option.
MahouGirl
· 1 year ago
Oh man, I totally missed the part about you sponging off your girlfriend. That's not indie, that's just sad.
And as a professional journalist and blogger? No, blogging is not journalism.
Darren
· 1 year ago
When I got laid off and was going thru cancer, I sponged off my g/f (to borrow your terminology), then, when she lost her gig, she sponged off of me. its what people do when they're in it together.
If that's sad by your definition, gimme sadness.
MahouGirl
· 1 year ago
Fair enough, but you weren't writing about being a cancer survivor being supported by his GF, you were writing from the perspective of an indie rock musician trying to pay the bills, and frankly, if your music isn't paying the bills after X amount of years, it's time to let "indie" go.
Congrats on kicking the cancer, BTW.
TeitanDude
· 1 year ago
Finally someone has stopped kissing this soiled brat's ass. Good for you. It's hard being indie when you live in a 4.5 million Beverly Hills house which he constantly talks about. Has he even heard of the mortage crisis? Is it really giving away something FREE when you get so much press and marketing from it? Another example of saying one thing and doing another. Check out his blog- man that's one fucked up mess.
eap
· 1 year ago
Reznor isn't the one who talks about his house all the time, it seems to be the interviewers that are obsessed with talking about it. Yeah, having a house that great makes all of us who can't have one like that feel like shit, but if he can afford it, why not. People just hate all other people who have more money than they do. It's how it works. And if he's got the money to afford a house like that, why not so something nice once in a while like giving your album away free when you know you could make a shit-load of money off it if you charged. He could have said, "fuck it. I'm getting' all I can from this one," but he gave it away. That's pretty decent.
And yeah. nin fans do run the internet. You stepped in it.
ibanez33
· 1 year ago
"why not [d]o something nice once in a while like giving your album away free when you know you could make a shit-load of money off it if you charged"
very good point. he made about over million dollars in less than a day when he released Ghosts back in March, and he could've easily done it again with this, but chose not to because he's a nice guy, and is one of very few artists who actually cares about his fans (and their wallets :P)
crew2d
· 1 year ago
How embarrassing for you. In your attempt to "out" Reznor, all you've really done is make yourself look bitter. I've never heard the guy claim to be indie - just free of a label. Is your foot in your mouth yet?
al
· 1 year ago
Oh boy, don't you know nin fans practically run the internet. You just opened the flood gates mister. I feel sorry for you.
Mattnh
· 1 year ago
Let's piss on someones head who's doing better then me and ... oh 'by the way' I've got a record out too. For free. Where I come from we call that opportunistic. I might be a fanboy. You sound like a grouchy 'has-been'.
Anon
· 1 year ago
For someone with a huge love for Ministry, your music is surprisingly power pop.
thefxc
· 1 year ago
Oooh you stirred up a storm...
I completely 100% agree with you about NIN's music--I think he killed industrial for the next decade because it got labeled as "heavy metal with synths." Then he discovered Marilyn Manson, who ruined goth. Way to kill two once-vibrant musical subcultures!
Trent's been crying about record labels since back in his TVT days, when he cried about them not promoting his record even though you couldn't open a magazine or turn on 120 Minutes without seeing NIN. That said, I actually don't mind his current business model--it's going to be established artists like Trent and Radiohead who define the record industry post-Napster--and I don't think he's claiming to be "indie" per se--he's just finally liberated from those record labels that were oh-so oppressive and never, ever beckoned to any of his ridiculous tantrums, and certainly never released truckloads of pointless remix CDs on his behalf. The worst part was when Interscope dropped him because he became a fat drunk who couldn't deliver a new record on time...oh wait they didn't do that, never mind...
Which is to say, it's OK if he gives his music away, but he's lost the right to complain about ANYTHING.
fatpenis
· 1 year ago
guys his album is awful dont bother
Darren
· 1 year ago
thank you, Jim DeRogatis.
Zack
· 1 year ago
I remember reading an interview with one of Trent's ex-girlfriends (Tori Amos, I think) where she basically said he was absurdly image-conscious.
amused
· 1 year ago
They never dated and it's kinda hard to believe you actually read an interview with one of his ex-girlfriends because nobody even knows who they are/were.
Jen
· 1 year ago
They did date. Just off and on.
Mattnh
· 1 year ago
Tori is a well known friend of Trent, I gotta say. She even made him chicken ;)
Zack
· 1 year ago
Your command of logic is truly staggering - you claim that "nobody even knows who [his girlfriends] are/were" and yet are completely comfortable with asserting that they "never dated." I cower before your Aristotelean fury!
amused
· 1 year ago
Oh I see what you did there.. I'll take back my assertion then and rephrase that. They both maintained that they have only been friends , so it's not really accurate to call her his ex-girlfriend. Whoever else he has dated (besides C. Love who he also denied dating) is pretty much unknown to the public so "an interview with one of his ex-girlfriends" is pretty unlikely. Happy now?
Zack
· 1 year ago
Ecstatic (still, who WOULDN'T deny dating Courtney Love?). What's making me unhappy now, though, is that I can't find a source for my own statement, and that I might have gotten mixed up and the image thing was something that Rose McGowan said about Marilyn Manson (which would seem to fit). This crow tastes disgusting.
down in it
· 1 year ago
And if Courtney Love's to be believed, Trent's about 8 short of a nine inch nail, if you know what I mean and I think you do. That'll explain the absurd image-consciousness...
Mattnh
· 1 year ago
That is really classy. Keep up he good work.
Mantis
· 1 year ago
Stick it up your self-righteous indie ass
Jen
· 1 year ago
You are such a bitter bitch.
Mattnh
· 1 year ago
I just had gave your music a listen. Why not? Tip: start making music with an own feel to it. Your feel. Whatever that may be. This 'way too much middle of the road'-stuff is around too much allready. Tom Petty has at least decent lyrics that tend to get more of my credit. He might even sue you for being a tasteless copy-cat with tacky textwriting. And he propaly has a point. Leaves you with even less money for your strings and rent. But that will give you a nice reason to spit on him as well.
amused
· 1 year ago
The most entertaining thing about all of this is how you take yourself so seriously. I can't imagine how someone could write something so full of bitterness and wrong information then sit back , read it proudly and pat himself on the back for really giving it to that ol' poseur Trent Reznor who'll never be good enough to be "indie". However, that's probably exactly what happened when you wrote this (probably when you recorded that album, too).
And that was oh-so-slick how you slipped your album in at the end like that. Masking your self-promotion by a pointless rant of a concerned (and legitimate!) "indie" artist. No, really. Good for you!
BB7
· 1 year ago
What the fuck are you on about exactly? Indie? When did Reznor ever claim he was "indie"? You don't like his music and you envy him his money, that's all fine and dandy, but really...the rest of it makes no sense whatsoever. "Pampered millionaire giving his music away" rubs you the wrong way, huh? Would you feel better if he charged for it? Why? No really, why? So you could feel a bit more elitist? More "special"? Crawl back under a rock and grow a brain cell or two.
eric
· 1 year ago
What you're saying, basically, is that the customer is wrong. People like NIN, but they "shouldn't" like NIN, according to you. Hmmmm. If you have a wealthy patron, then you can afford to take that tack. If you have serious dreams of making it in the business, then perhaps you could learn something from the ones who made it. Or not. Your choice.
Let me guess. As a little boy, you enjoyed hitting beehives with a baseball bat. Yeah, those NINers will be all over you now. I hope you have plenty of hydrocortisone salve.
I am not a NIN fan. I listened to his last major label album. Once, out of curiosity. I found it mildly interesting, but nothing I'd listen to twice. I don't have any beef with those who love or hate Trent. But if Trent is satisfying people, and they are forking out money for downloads or CDs or concert tickets, then I don't begrudge him a mansion. I won't contribute to the mansion renovation fund, personally. But he's giving people something they value enough to pay their hard earned money for.
If you are able to do the same, success may be yours. Or maybe you can build a niche of rabid fans sufficient to sustain your existence. I can't tell you how to do that. Maybe spend more time learning and writing great music, and less time poking beehives with sticks? It's a start.
Darren
· 1 year ago
I don't begrudge anyone a mansion. I wish one for every single one of you out there as a result of you chasing your dreams all the way.
Trent is milking the fans now...he's got to in order to maintain his way of life. You think he wants to leave Beverly Hills?
When I was involved in real estate (no, not a realtor), I got to watch a dude who was HUGE in the 90's beg his manager to let him accept an offer on his mansion that was a MILLION dollars below the asking price and well below market value. His manager was begging HIM to do a Hits Of The 90's nostalgia tour so he wouldn't have to sell the mansion, but the dude said it would kill any chance of his new material ever being taken seriously ever again.
I dunno if he was right or wrong in the end, but the guy had tears in his eyes watching strangers strolling through his crib like they were at a museum or something. They knew the score, too. This was a chance to be within feet of a star falling from grace.
Trent's tour this summer will bank on the nostalgia, but the release of this free album sends up enough of a smokescreen that most fans won't realize it til they get there.
sushis
· 1 year ago
"Trent is milking the fans now...he's got to in order to maintain his way of life...Trent's tour this summer will bank on the nostalgia, but the release of this free album sends up enough of a smokescreen that most fans won't realize it til they get there."
So, your argument is that Trent gave away a free album so he could *trick* his fans into paying to see him live? So he could renovate his house?
He's a crafty bastard, he is!
anon
· 1 year ago
He probably wouldnt mind leaving LA considering prior to the last album he stated in the press that he was there for the convenience of the city.. NOT because he thought it was the best place on the planet to park his life.
Mattnh
· 1 year ago
I don't get it. You'll have to explain it to me.
"Trent is milking the fans now...he's got to in order to maintain his way of life. You think he wants to leave Beverly Hills?"
Giving away a record for free and still Trent gets me to pay him money to maintain his way of life? I've seen NIN live before and for a great show like that I'm willing to pay. It's called craftsmanship and I like to see sweaty men play cool tunes. And they work hard for it. Where does the milking come in?
The rest of your statement sounds like an overrated RNR-myth to me. 'You'll have to suffer all the way to be a great creative artist'-kind of thing. That is a strange sort of nostalgia and only for 50+ wannabees. Stop kidding yourself. It's embarrassing.
mojo
· 1 year ago
I went to see him with Bowie once, Bowie opened for NIN and they sang some songs together to transition between sets--no break whatsoever, a nice little gimmick.
LAter I asked my wife (a big bowie fan) what she thought of the show. She (not a critic) was offended that they shared the stage.
"Trent Reznor is a grease spot on the windshield of rock and roll history, compared to Bowie," she said. I never forgot it, saving it for a time I could quote it. Like, say, right now.
Nice post.
Mantis
· 1 year ago
Bowie actually highly respects Trent, in case your wife didn't know.
mojo
· 1 year ago
She doesn't keep up on all the celebrity gossip. She just knows what tuneage she likes and doesn't.
No major angst-y analysis like you and me and all the world of popdose does (ah but the discourse is sweet, isn't it?). If we don't like something here at popdose (readers and writers) we have to analyze why. She just turns it off. I sometimes wish I had that capacity. But no. I'm here instead breaking comments--comments!--to a post I didn't even write.
I will say, however, at the risk of opening another massive can of worms, that NIN=VU is about right (VU and Reed don't get the traction among many popdose writers that they do elsewhere). Not saying VU was just another Cutting Crew, but Robbins' point remains intact: Ministry and a fistful of other industrial bands blazed the trail and Reznor suburbi-fied the genre and raked up the trail of cash they left behind because they were too experimental. And now he's whining about it. Feh. Life's rough.
And as far as David Bowie's own taste in music, can you trust it? One flashback: "Loving the Alien." One more: the whole CD "Never LEt Me Down." Nuff said (and I am a Bowie apologist--in fact I think I'm one of the six existing Tin Machine fans because of the Hunt & Tony Sales/Iggy pedigree).
Mattnh
· 1 year ago
And I quote: "David Bowie compared NIN's impact to that of The Velvet Underground." Say hi to your wife.
teddyT
· 1 year ago
AHAHAHA!!! You're such a douche bag! The NIN army is out to get you now...
anonymous
· 1 year ago
Well, you succeeded in bringing some traffic to your comments and exposure to your shitty music. Your fucking ridiculous post got posted on a NIN fan website and a shit storm will undoubtedly fall now. I see that you can't hide your jealousy for another musician's success. Trent got a record deal, made records, toured and attracted a rabid fanbase. He earned that mansion in the hills. Dude, you still can't pay rent? Maybe, it's time to look into a second career choice. You suck!
JohnHughes
· 1 year ago
John & Matty LOVE Trent and all his fans! Watch the latest Phagz on 45 and see!
camtheman2343
· 1 year ago
Fuck you you are the lowest scum of the earth. Just because someone is rich and famous does not they are evil and money hungry. This letter of shit was only to get traffic and listens to your shit music. Go fornicate your self with a red-hot, acid-soaked, rusty, dick-shaped iron rod.
BTW fuck you.
master
· 1 year ago
I agree. Fuck this ass Darren Robbins.
Eatyourblud
· 1 year ago
Fuck me . Your music really sucks ass dude....No wonder you're so bitter.
And i wouldn't bother with any more "radio edits" if i was you. Pretending to be a station announcer in your basement, spinning your own cd to an imaginary listening audience, does not constitute radio play in any way, shape or form.
And put your pants back on.
SW
· 1 year ago
This post is pure comedy, and a perfect example of "indie" elitism that has gotten way out of hand.
Sick of reading Crybaby Crap!
· 1 year ago
Dude you are a whiney jealous crybaby! Embarrising!
Malchus
· 1 year ago
What's embarrassing is your spelling.
Blue
· 1 year ago
You should probably do some research on a band if you are going to bad mouth them. NIN has always paid for their tours in the past and it would be impossible for their label to pay for this tour because they does not have one. Reznor is an independent artist. That means he is not on a major label NOT that he is poor and unappreciated. Listen YOU made a choice to be an independent artist and you were unsuccessful. Now you are whining because someone else made decisions that brought them success. At least when Reznor whines WE get something out of it like free music or encouragement to steal it. I also find it funny that of all the artists who are leaving their major label contracts you pick an artist who is easy to take shoots at. Many will believe your inaccurate statements simply because they don’t like NIN. After all if you don’t like a bands music no one should. P.S. Al Jourgenson has repeatedly said that the term Industrial was given to Ministry by journalist who don’t know anything about music.
David_E
· 1 year ago
(Walks in from other blog)
"... Hey Darren, have you seen my -- AH! AHHH! SHITSTORM!" (Rushes out)
blerg
· 1 year ago
where are you getting this 'indie' bullshit from? the label type on the NIN myspace/youtube/whatever pages?
indie as in independant label, dumbshit. not 'indie' as in the genre.
l2reed.
Mafu
· 1 year ago
Nice neck dude .... oh wait ....
DavidMedsker
· 1 year ago
It hit me around 1994 that Trent was the '90s equivalent of Alice Cooper. That's not a bad thing, per se, but the comments -- and man, did this post generate some funny comments -- about image obsession make perfect sense.
I wish you had gone at Trent from a different angle, namely the one about the well-adjusted, phenomenally successful 40-something guy who still makes records about how messed up his life is and how angry he is about the way people treat him. What nonsense. Time to let the adolescent angst go, Trent. Life is not that bad, and your life in particular is definitely not that bad.
(opens umbrella, prepares for shit storm)
Bob
· 1 year ago
Good job, Darren.
Unfortunately, the crudeness and borderline illiteracy of the NINnies says as much about their hero as you ever could.
jefito
· 1 year ago
I've been thinking the same thing. For a guy who's clearly a genius -- at least when it comes to marketing -- he sure does have a pack of mouth-breathers for fans.
terje
· 1 year ago
All these Trentheads have really inspired me. I'm think I'm gonna start defending David Foster with the same kind of ardor, starting tom... fuck it, who am I kidding? I would've been fun, though:
"Fuck you for criticizing David Foster. Fuck you you are the lowest scum of the earth. Just because someone is rich and famous does not they are evil and money hungry." HA! (I'm the resident David Foster expert here on Popdose, by the way.)
Jay
· 1 year ago
Take pot shots at the more blunt fans but do recognize that people are bringing up points that haven't been adressed. So an indie musician's merit is upon how poor or miserable they are? Instrumental or minimalistic albums aren't a legitimate art form?
Nice Myspace page Mr. Robbins. "Anyone giving more than $5 is eligible to receive a retail version of the CD (if they so choose) by simply providing their mailing address with their donation (US residents only)."
If you want to ask for handouts to tour the country, and be miserable BUT succeed perhaps you should quit music and take up politics.
Jay
· 1 year ago
and congrats on overcoming the C
BrentP
· 1 year ago
Finally, someone friggin' GETS IT. This is the same kind of crap that irks me whenever Radiohead and their ilk get all the press about being so damned indie and 'mould breaking' for bucking the traditional sales model.
Meanwhile true indie bands who've been precariously betting the bank on notions such as pre-order funding and free music while supporting themselves through merchandising are ignored or worst still acussed of copying these big name bands.
Oh yes, it is easy to make such 'risky' ventures with millions in the bank and a legion of garage bands who've tried and tested the methodology for you.
Add in the fact that Reznor has indeed failed to push out anything with a set of balls in over a decade (With Teeth is pathetic and how radio friendly was The Hand that feeds?) and quite frankly the reason Reznor is an entity of note at all is beyond comprehension.
Bravo to you Darren for daring to say the Emperor has no clothes.
no44
· 1 year ago
Have some fucking respect you asshole. He never claimed to be on your level. He is much more than you, And much more than you will ever be.
Period. 44
B
· 1 year ago
I think I have a solution to one of your Problems with NIN/Reznor: if you don't like it - don't listen to it. As simple as that. Try it, it works. I'll do the same with your album. I gave it a listen and there's nothing in it that would make me want to listen to it again... I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not my cup of tea. It is purely a matter of taste, there's no need to rant about it. A MATTER OF TASTE - that's really all there is when it comes to music, I wish you could see that. And wish I could give you a helpful advice on the other Problem(s) you have with Trent Reznor, but I already wasted enough time reading your post and writing this comment. Best Regards, b
mark
· 1 year ago
personally, i have never cared for nine inch nails music and have no interest in it. i also loved ministry's industrial abrasiveness. however, i fully support bands that have reached a certain level of success offering their music for free to their fans without involving major labels, regardless of how the bands built up their fan base in the first place. if it was able to afford a mansion with the proceeds of his past major label dealings, good for him, he is one of the lucky ones. comparing a musician without any following or label backing to nine inch nails situation is apples and oranges. as someone who is in a band, i have very little sympathy for people in bands who are whining about how they are scraping by. join the real world, get a real job, play music because you love it, not because you think someone should be funding your projects. believe in yourself because probably no one else ever will. the facts are that most people will never give a shit about the music you make. disheartening to hear all this? sorry to break it to you. do it because you love it- end of story. nine inch nails music still sucks.
drcastrato
· 1 year ago
I haven't really heard much argument here about doing music for the love of the music. I don't give a crap about NIN, but presumably Trent Reznor has made enough money that he doesn't have to work anymore. But he's continuing to record because he LIKES to. People want to hear it because they LIKE it. So what if he gives it away? Does his free music cut into the indie album sales? Is the listener not buying indie albums because they are getting too full on free Reznor? Who knows, maybe that is the case. But even still, the indie artist has no right to complain.
You can't make a living on music? Welcome to the club. I play in a band, too (and all-instrumental band) and we have a CD and a website and we play tons crappy gigs where no one shows up...and we all work full time. We're in the band because we LOVE TO PLAY MUSIC. There's no glory in suffering for your art. If you want to go for it, by all means, go for it. But do it because you LOVE to do it, and don't complain about Trent Reznor or anybody else doing what they want, too.
drcastrato
· 1 year ago
what happened to all the other comments?
Mattnh
· 1 year ago
Hey hey, didn't like the shitstorm? Got rid of all the comments you didn't like? That's grown-up.
Djynn Flyssa
· 1 year ago
Oh man, you really need to get laid.
Phoebe Hale
· 1 year ago
dude stop whining. if you were any more bitter and jealous you'd probably transform into one giant throbbing vein on the forehead of a bright green midget.
marodi
· 1 year ago
Jealousy is a very ugly thing, mister! Are you sure you want to be remembered as Salieri to Reznor's Mozart? Maybe you should spend less time whinning and more time on your music. Just a thought...
Dick Nigger
· 1 year ago
Fuck you, NIN is better than your shitty ass music.
The Okie Dokie
· 1 year ago
I am in the mist of the biggest failure of my life a failure of my own making. So I felt compelled to respond to you. Reznor isn’t your problem you are. I will admit I am a fan of NIN ( I just came aboard the kool aide train with with teeth). From the stories I have read about TR he worked hard to get his break. He was fortunate to be very young and know what he wanted to do with his life because that youthful desire along with his talent (you cannot deny the talent) carried him. He put himself into positions that supported his desire. You are worried about your bills, don’t. Find a solution and move on with your music. Do you have a band move in with them, they aren’t passionate about the band like you find a band that is passionate. Eat sleep the passion of the band. Save every last dime for the music and use technology to help you make your music (make it cheaper people don’t care how you make just as long as it sounds good). I mean 2 years for an album is to long.
Every musician is made up of their influences. Even you. The trick is to make sure you come through. Although I don’t know all of the influences of NIN I definitely hear Trent reznor and who he is, wants to be, pretends to be and etc. A lot of people connect to that sentiment. As a consumer of music I have to say that if someone placed some of your tracks vs. NIN I would identify NIN as the indie band. Only in that your music sounds like most of the stuff on the radio now. But I do hear in your voice the potential to be unique
Okie Dokie Do
· 1 year ago
I am in the mist of the biggest failure of my life a failure of my own making. So I felt compelled to respond to you. Reznor isn’t your problem you are. I will admit I am a fan of NIN ( I just came aboard the kool aide train with with teeth). From the stories I have read about TR he worked hard to get his break. He was fortunate to be very young and know what he wanted to do with his life because that youthful desire along with his talent (you cannot deny the talent) carried him. He put himself into positions that supported his desire. You are worried about your bills, don’t. Find a solution and move on with your music. Do you have a band move in with them, they aren’t passionate about the band like you find a band that is passionate. Eat sleep the passion of the band. Save every last dime for the music and use technology to help you make your music (make it cheaper people don’t care how you make just as long as it sounds good). I mean 2 years for an album is to long.
Every musician is made up of their influences. Even you. The trick is to make sure you come through. Although I don’t know all of the influences of NIN I definitely hear Trent reznor and who he is, wants to be, pretends to be and etc. A lot of people connect to that sentiment. As a consumer of music I have to say that if someone placed some of your tracks vs. NIN I would identify NIN as the indie band. Only in that your music sounds like most of the stuff on the radio now. But I do hear in your voice the potential to be unique
Okie Dokie Do
· 1 year ago
sorry about the double post
kinda like a cloud
· 1 year ago
Man, it sounds like Nine Inch Nails fans need to get laid...y'all aren't making your hero look good...
Stirling, NJ
· 1 year ago
Seriously mate? of all the targets you could choose in this rotten industry...
dear me...
Darren
· 1 year ago
Where did all the comments go? I was working all day and looking forward to breaking triple digits on the comment-ometer...only to find out somebody rolled it back.
Boo.
StandingDamaged
· 1 year ago
I have to agree about NINs 'industrial' being more like industrial done by mr rodgers - and I canunderstand the cynicism of his current move towards nonLabel association...when I 1st read about it I thought , hmmmm, he isn't selling like he was and the label is pushing him to be more commercial or something...hehehe But I did NOT d-load your tunes - I dunno if it my being trapped in dialup hell or being stuck out in the wastelands of central Ky or what but ever since Jefito became Popdose I can no longer get more than 13 seconds tops of any mp3 offered for listening. So I no longer come here to listen, I simply come to read....damn shame that, but I did like the editorial content change that began to include political references and other things alongside the music - it IS all of a pice in the long run anyway :) SD
Scraps
· 1 year ago
If Trent Reznor was getting it from Ministry, well, Ministry got ut from Killing Joke.
That said, Trent Reznor acolytes sure are childish whiners, aren't they? Most folks outgrow the "you're just jealous" line by high school. As for "just don't listen": If you have so little self-confidence that it makes you cry to see a little criticism of your preentious, humorless, eminently mockable idol, do yourself a favor and stop reading anything about him that isn't a fanboy blowjob.
Darren
· 1 year ago
Yeah, Ministry got their latter day sound (Psalm 69 and so forth) compliments of Killing Joke (whom I also adore - their debut and "Revelations" being two of my fave albums of all time) but Twitch and the four or five standout tracks on Rape are truly the sound of an artist creating something entirely new. Funny that Killing Joke would later try to jump on the very bandwagon they had inspired. Of course, these days, I prefer new KJ to new Ministry, by far.
some nin fan
· 1 year ago
yeah, nin fans are the ones making NIN look bad... not this waste of a blog with an obviously passive agressive agenda.
the real problem with this post is that nothing is fact. its all assumption and its all wrong. the only thing that's factually correct is trent has mansion in beverly hills.
trent did in fact promote his own cds for the last three releases. Year Zero (which you've clearly never listened to) had an extensive marketing campaign that was headed up by Mr. Reznor. He also started the remix.nin.com on his own accord and when the record company at the last minute decide not to back it, he did it himself. if that's not indie, i don't know what is.
Its also very manipulative to claim you respect Trent's work when the entire post is completely disrespectful.
oh and i'm so sure you didn't delete the comments. someone else must've deleted those nasty comments about how your music is subpar. since those are gone, i'll go ahead and restate: trent's never claimed to be indie, just independent of a record label.
Mango4u
· 1 year ago
Firstly, your remarks about TR are not entrely unfounded. There is truth in that he is now independent but has had the backing of labels for a long period of time, and as such will have the exposure created by said support.
However, the way you spin your point is fairly ridiculous. I have not read or heard a single interview where he has embraced the 'indie' culture you are mentioning. This doesn't make him any less independent, just not a member of what you, and likely many others, misconstrue as 'indie'. There are many independent artists out there and many of them with differing histories, income, and monetary investment. Fortunately for TR, and the NIN stakeholders, support has been plenty previous to his decision to be independent.
Secondly, you seem to proliferate some kind of idea that TR's music is somewhat prepackaged for the masses. Having listened to some of your tracks, which is clearly a goal of your post, makes me think do not have a clue about what you speak of. Have another listen to your own music before you make terrible accusations.
DrHtR
· 1 year ago
Firt Of all, Darren. Trent did NOT write Hurt, Johnny Cash did, if you're going to bash someone, get your damn facts straight. I would also like to comment on your indie hang up, do you really think Reznor would've gone Indie straight out of the shoot, been poor and stolen zucchinis from a farmers garden like you wanted him to be? Hell no, because he has a brain, appareantly unlike you. You, see what he's doing is brilliant. He is taking all that money from the record companies and using it against them, ( which you did comment on, but you can't see the forest through the trees). He's being loyal to his fans, giving us free albums, encouraging us to "steal" his music. He's a business man. Have you ever hear of the term music BUSINESS, yeah...it's right there in the title. I know your so green with envy you can't see straight, but maybe instead of bashing Trent, you should take a few hints since no body really knows who the hell you are except for being some whore who bashes people with actual talent for a publicity stunt (bad business move). Oh, and by the way I listened to your song "the other shoe", exactly how many times did you listen to "jessie's girl" by Rick Springfield before wrting that piece of shit. You make musicians like Yoko Ono sound as good as her late husband (he was a beatle by the way, you don't seem to research these things much so I thought I'd help out) and shove those "two ships" up your ass while you're at it.
sexual lobster
· 1 year ago
Hurt was covered by Johny Cash. The originl was by NIN.
HYPERPOWER!
· 1 year ago
"Trent did NOT write Hurt, Johnny Cash did"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *gasp* /die
Crybaby.
Mattnh
· 1 year ago
"First Of all, DrHtR. Johnny Cash did NOT write Hurt, Trent did, if you’re going to correct someone, get your damn facts straight." Fixed.
LOL
Eatyourblud
· 1 year ago
Fuck me . Your music really sucks ass dude....No wonder you're so bitter. And i wouldn't bother with any more "radio edits" if i was you. Pretending to be a station announcer in your basement, spinning your own cd to an imaginary listening audience, does not constitute radio play in any way, shape or form.
And put your damn pants back on.
Lindsie
· 1 year ago
Trent Reznor was good enough to get signed. You're just angry you're not. . .
Raul in Miami
· 1 year ago
You are a fucking idiot. Your hypocrisy is only evident to the poor souls such as myself who stomach this column all the way to the end where you plug your album using the Trent Reznor and Ministry brands. You are like all the whining socialist lemming kids spitting out the same anti-capitalist diatribes burned into their simple minds by the likes of CNN and washed-up college professor/hippies. I wouldn’t listen to your music if you paid me to.
Nineinchtoenails
· 1 year ago
omg i cant belive this guy! in the end it turned into a fall off a fucking cliff conclusion to listen to his shitty ass music his voice sounds worse then brett michels takeing a dump on laxatives...i hope no one else reads this or you will be wasteing your time...second thing i want to say is HYPERPOWER! i'm sick of fucking idiots like you saying Jchash made hurt by god it's alll over the fucking net and every one is saying it even my sister arguged with me for an hour about it STFU Trent made hurt and you should realize this cuz it dosent even sound like a cash song
nineinchtoenails
· 1 year ago
sorry hyperpower i meant tot say the drhtr guy btw i know my spelling sucks asnd i ddontttt care cuz this is a fucking BLOW ass blog
Vect
· 1 year ago
Seriously, do you think Trent ALWAYS lived in that big house he has now? Do you think he has always had the success he has now? He didn't just click his fucking fingers and have a fucking label at the start of it all. He DID struggle, just like you are now and when he did I bet he didn't whine like a little bitch like yourself. And, do you think that just because he happened to get a break that their was no struggles in his life thereafter? It might surprise you to know that Trent, like every other person on this planet, has more in their life than just their work.
Since when has he ever bitched about his house not being big enough? Or his car not flashy enough? Had he complained about those things instead of his personal issues then maybe you could sit there and say he is a whiny little brat, but seriously, all you did was make yourself sound like a little bitch complaining because someone who creates music you dislike, made it and you didn't and probably never will (yes, I listened to your tracks and now my ears bleed).
Had your argument been more constructive and less of a whine then maybe I'd have agreed on a few points.
My name is matt.
· 9 months ago
You come across as one of those people who goes to the band's first show, kills everyone in the audience, and then proceeds to kill the band, just so you can say you're the only one who ever saw them live. So yeah, you're the stereotypical Indie kid.
Reznor lived in Pennsylvania with his grandma when he was a kid, he wasn't some trust-fund asshole fated to a life of financial success. He made his own success. So I find it a contradiction that you whine about money like a little bitch, and meanwhile say the true artist is required to be poor. It really shows where your heart is.
I agree, I'm not really a fan of his earlier stuff either, it's too poppy and repetitive for my taste. But his more personal/true music (i.e. Fixed, the Fragile, halo 17B, Ghosts 1-4) is no less credible than any other artist.
You're just a punk who gets off by trying to take other people down with you.
Arvo Pärt, Jack Kerouac, William Basinski, Taku Sugimoto, Morton Feldman, John Cage. These musicians need more attention, do you even know who they are? I bet, after 5 minutes on wikipedia, you'd say you do know them 'cause you're so fucking indie.
same guy
· 9 months ago
"This post is pure comedy, and a perfect example of "indie" elitism that has gotten way out of hand."
agreed. masturbate to animal collective and get a little stress off your chest. Or better yet, get laid.
advice: don't sing to her.
Cryoc
· 8 months ago
Ok first off Trent made millions because he did somthing ORGINAL. Wow what a concept. Second everyone who is in the music industry complains about the record labels. They rape them on there music. That is what is so great about computer technology and recording, it's made it affordable for anybody to record professional sounding music. It's not just about the money though and that is why you are missing the point. Most people who are into the indie scene do it for the love of music and to fight against The Man.( record labels). The free music movement is about the music. Not your self righteous attempt to make your self look like a martyr for the indie music movement.
mojo
· 8 months ago
dude!!!
you are awesomeness of the awesome!
get yo sexy ass on down to nin.com and let the duped masses know what you think of his latest posing.
your clarity is so refreshing and well done for having your head on so straight.
don t listen to the "minions" on here... cos they obviously don t repsond to integrity.
INDIEvidualDeathsForUsAll
· 8 months ago
.... This is the most important moment of your life.. Right ?
It's your life. You do what you like.
johnny cash owns "hurt"
· 6 months ago
this is a really bitter article, for sure. in fact, i think actually that it's good when bigger artists give stuff away for free. they should all do it, and then maybe the music industry will finally die.
on the other hand, i have to admit that i do agree that trent reznor is an overrated talentless douchebag. one thing is true though, "hurt" is a good song. other than than, meh.
i just don't buy into all his dark bullshit...seems insincere to me...like he just wants to show the world his "dark, edgy" side. plus he does whine too much.
it's cool for those who like him, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but after working in music stores selling his shit to dumb kids who think he's a god and buy anything with a NIN logo on it, i just find him and his music incredibly annoying.
j.antkowski
· 6 months ago
so your going to diss instrumental albums.... by the way the voice is an instrument too. your going to diss jazz records and orchestral records. things that are part of the music world. every recording could be considered an instrumental album. a musical instrument can be the voice, drums, a piano, anything thats recorded. "Seriously, an instrumental album?" saying that... but on your website frontpage you have the word symphony. and your talking shit on a recording with no vocals. so what if you dont like the music. you dont have to. and thats that. it really shows how jealous you are. i dont like your music. but am i going to whine and bitch about it? no.
Ryan
· 4 months ago
I just rofl'd all over my computer and nearly pissed my pants after you go off on this tangent about marketing no-nos and garbage like that-then proceed to turn the whole article into a marketing ploy!
Hahaha
Ashleighb
· 3 months ago
Even though this post is over a year old I'll put in my two cents. I did not listen to your album because frankly I don't care whether you get huge from this or not. From what I can pick up from the comments your music is pretty shitty....but I digress. What irks me is you, this self proclaimed indie guy, are trying to ride the coattails of hating on big rock stars to make it big yourself. You bitch that TR has millions of dollars and has things and people only one could dream of. But isn't that, ultimately, what you're trying to attain? My suggestion to you, my friend, is to watch the man and take some damn notes. TR went from recording 'Pretty Hate Machine' after working as a janitor in a recording studio to living the American dream. But, if you're going to sit there and tell me that making shitty music and bashing important people is your American dream then keep it up. Great Job!
whatever
· 1 month ago
Sounds like jealousy swamped in and drowned by a sense of under-achievement while thinking.."wow, how did Reznor think of that.".or.."wow", Reznor was a genius with the Ghosts package".
You are an artist..Reznor is an artist..however..a TRUE artist can appreciate another artist's work. I guess, maybe you do not exactly fit in that category. Also, it looks like you used Reznor and Ministry as "tags" to get your music noticed in the world of the internet..hmm, maybe you need Reznor after all.
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Take a brand built with millions of Interscope benjamins, though, and millions will download an instrumental album. Seriously, an instrumental album?
BTW, Darren, didn't you breathlessly blog about TR releasing the Slip on your blog. About music. Good music. Really good music? Didn't you also blog about your personal "faves" therein?
http://hesawhore.blogspot.com/2008/05/trent-giv...
And, your release is lacking in importance because, quite frankly, it is not very good.
Don't compare yourself to NIN. Its a lose/lose proposition.
I'd be happy to give your album $5, and take your argument seriously if it was not pedestrian power-pop, which has never been my cup of tea.
And you conveniently neglect to mention Ministry's first album, With Sympathy, which is essentially homogenized 80's european techno-pop - and is WAY better than Land of Rape and Honey.
Completely calculated to come across as the little guy when, in truth, he's as "big money corporate rock" as they come.
A+++++++++++++ E-BAY SELLER!
You then post your *ahem* music in hopes of making a few dollars yourself? Really?
(BTW, if you're not a fan, how can you pretend to know what they do or do not do?).
FAIL.
quit being jealous and try something original you cock smoker.
He's not indie, sir.
He's just free of label.
Trent isn't claiming to be 'Indie', he's just glad to be free of record label restrictions and doing things his own way. If anything Reznor's message is that of a closer relationship between fan and artist, yes he'll charge for certain things, but they'd have been a hell of a lot more with Interscope and have taken longer to reach the fans.
Reznor's message is that the record industry as it stands is fundamentally corrupt and decadent and he's trying to find ways of going a different way for established artists (he has expressed his doubts about how new artists can go this way), he's not trying to live the life of an 'Indie' artist sponging off his girlfriend (..which is just sad by the way), he's trying to establish a 'Third Way' between the label option and the pure Indie option.
And as a professional journalist and blogger? No, blogging is not journalism.
If that's sad by your definition, gimme sadness.
Congrats on kicking the cancer, BTW.
And yeah. nin fans do run the internet. You stepped in it.
very good point. he made about over million dollars in less than a day when he released Ghosts back in March, and he could've easily done it again with this, but chose not to because he's a nice guy, and is one of very few artists who actually cares about his fans (and their wallets :P)
For free.
Where I come from we call that opportunistic.
I might be a fanboy.
You sound like a grouchy 'has-been'.
I completely 100% agree with you about NIN's music--I think he killed industrial for the next decade because it got labeled as "heavy metal with synths." Then he discovered Marilyn Manson, who ruined goth. Way to kill two once-vibrant musical subcultures!
Trent's been crying about record labels since back in his TVT days, when he cried about them not promoting his record even though you couldn't open a magazine or turn on 120 Minutes without seeing NIN. That said, I actually don't mind his current business model--it's going to be established artists like Trent and Radiohead who define the record industry post-Napster--and I don't think he's claiming to be "indie" per se--he's just finally liberated from those record labels that were oh-so oppressive and never, ever beckoned to any of his ridiculous tantrums, and certainly never released truckloads of pointless remix CDs on his behalf. The worst part was when Interscope dropped him because he became a fat drunk who couldn't deliver a new record on time...oh wait they didn't do that, never mind...
Which is to say, it's OK if he gives his music away, but he's lost the right to complain about ANYTHING.
She even made him chicken ;)
I'll take back my assertion then and rephrase that. They both maintained that they have only been friends , so it's not really accurate to call her his ex-girlfriend. Whoever else he has dated (besides C. Love who he also denied dating) is pretty much unknown to the public so "an interview with one of his ex-girlfriends" is pretty unlikely. Happy now?
Keep up he good work.
Why not?
Tip: start making music with an own feel to it.
Your feel.
Whatever that may be.
This 'way too much middle of the road'-stuff is around too much allready.
Tom Petty has at least decent lyrics that tend to get more of my credit.
He might even sue you for being a tasteless copy-cat with tacky textwriting.
And he propaly has a point.
Leaves you with even less money for your strings and rent.
But that will give you a nice reason to spit on him as well.
And that was oh-so-slick how you slipped your album in at the end like that. Masking your self-promotion by a pointless rant of a concerned (and legitimate!) "indie" artist. No, really. Good for you!
Let me guess. As a little boy, you enjoyed hitting beehives with a baseball bat. Yeah, those NINers will be all over you now. I hope you have plenty of hydrocortisone salve.
I am not a NIN fan. I listened to his last major label album. Once, out of curiosity. I found it mildly interesting, but nothing I'd listen to twice. I don't have any beef with those who love or hate Trent. But if Trent is satisfying people, and they are forking out money for downloads or CDs or concert tickets, then I don't begrudge him a mansion. I won't contribute to the mansion renovation fund, personally. But he's giving people something they value enough to pay their hard earned money for.
If you are able to do the same, success may be yours. Or maybe you can build a niche of rabid fans sufficient to sustain your existence. I can't tell you how to do that. Maybe spend more time learning and writing great music, and less time poking beehives with sticks? It's a start.
Trent is milking the fans now...he's got to in order to maintain his way of life. You think he wants to leave Beverly Hills?
When I was involved in real estate (no, not a realtor), I got to watch a dude who was HUGE in the 90's beg his manager to let him accept an offer on his mansion that was a MILLION dollars below the asking price and well below market value. His manager was begging HIM to do a Hits Of The 90's nostalgia tour so he wouldn't have to sell the mansion, but the dude said it would kill any chance of his new material ever being taken seriously ever again.
I dunno if he was right or wrong in the end, but the guy had tears in his eyes watching strangers strolling through his crib like they were at a museum or something. They knew the score, too. This was a chance to be within feet of a star falling from grace.
Trent's tour this summer will bank on the nostalgia, but the release of this free album sends up enough of a smokescreen that most fans won't realize it til they get there.
So, your argument is that Trent gave away a free album so he could *trick* his fans into paying to see him live? So he could renovate his house?
He's a crafty bastard, he is!
You'll have to explain it to me.
"Trent is milking the fans now...he's got to in order to maintain his way of life. You think he wants to leave Beverly Hills?"
Giving away a record for free and still Trent gets me to pay him money to maintain his way of life?
I've seen NIN live before and for a great show like that I'm willing to pay.
It's called craftsmanship and I like to see sweaty men play cool tunes.
And they work hard for it.
Where does the milking come in?
The rest of your statement sounds like an overrated RNR-myth to me.
'You'll have to suffer all the way to be a great creative artist'-kind of thing.
That is a strange sort of nostalgia and only for 50+ wannabees.
Stop kidding yourself.
It's embarrassing.
LAter I asked my wife (a big bowie fan) what she thought of the show. She (not a critic) was offended that they shared the stage.
"Trent Reznor is a grease spot on the windshield of rock and roll history, compared to Bowie," she said. I never forgot it, saving it for a time I could quote it. Like, say, right now.
Nice post.
No major angst-y analysis like you and me and all the world of popdose does (ah but the discourse is sweet, isn't it?). If we don't like something here at popdose (readers and writers) we have to analyze why. She just turns it off. I sometimes wish I had that capacity. But no. I'm here instead breaking comments--comments!--to a post I didn't even write.
I will say, however, at the risk of opening another massive can of worms, that NIN=VU is about right (VU and Reed don't get the traction among many popdose writers that they do elsewhere). Not saying VU was just another Cutting Crew, but Robbins' point remains intact: Ministry and a fistful of other industrial bands blazed the trail and Reznor suburbi-fied the genre and raked up the trail of cash they left behind because they were too experimental. And now he's whining about it. Feh. Life's rough.
And as far as David Bowie's own taste in music, can you trust it? One flashback: "Loving the Alien." One more: the whole CD "Never LEt Me Down." Nuff said (and I am a Bowie apologist--in fact I think I'm one of the six existing Tin Machine fans because of the Hunt & Tony Sales/Iggy pedigree).
"David Bowie compared NIN's impact to that of The Velvet Underground."
Say hi to your wife.
The NIN army is out to get you now...
BTW fuck you.
And i wouldn't bother with any more "radio edits" if i was you. Pretending to be a station announcer in your basement, spinning your own cd to an imaginary listening audience, does not constitute radio play in any way, shape or form.
And put your pants back on.
Listen YOU made a choice to be an independent artist and you were unsuccessful. Now you are whining because someone else made decisions that brought them success. At least when Reznor whines WE get something out of it like free music or encouragement to steal it.
I also find it funny that of all the artists who are leaving their major label contracts you pick an artist who is easy to take shoots at. Many will believe your inaccurate statements simply because they don’t like NIN. After all if you don’t like a bands music no one should.
P.S. Al Jourgenson has repeatedly said that the term Industrial was given to Ministry by journalist who don’t know anything about music.
"... Hey Darren, have you seen my -- AH! AHHH! SHITSTORM!" (Rushes out)
indie as in independant label, dumbshit. not 'indie' as in the genre.
l2reed.
I wish you had gone at Trent from a different angle, namely the one about the well-adjusted, phenomenally successful 40-something guy who still makes records about how messed up his life is and how angry he is about the way people treat him. What nonsense. Time to let the adolescent angst go, Trent. Life is not that bad, and your life in particular is definitely not that bad.
(opens umbrella, prepares for shit storm)
Unfortunately, the crudeness and borderline illiteracy of the NINnies says as much about their hero as you ever could.
"Fuck you for criticizing David Foster. Fuck you you are the lowest scum of the earth. Just because someone is rich and famous does not they are evil and money hungry." HA! (I'm the resident David Foster expert here on Popdose, by the way.)
Nice Myspace page Mr. Robbins. "Anyone giving more than $5 is eligible to receive a retail version of the CD (if they so choose) by simply providing their mailing address with their donation (US residents only)."
If you want to ask for handouts to tour the country, and be miserable BUT succeed perhaps you should quit music and take up politics.
Meanwhile true indie bands who've been precariously betting the bank on notions such as pre-order funding and free music while supporting themselves through merchandising are ignored or worst still acussed of copying these big name bands.
Oh yes, it is easy to make such 'risky' ventures with millions in the bank and a legion of garage bands who've tried and tested the methodology for you.
Add in the fact that Reznor has indeed failed to push out anything with a set of balls in over a decade (With Teeth is pathetic and how radio friendly was The Hand that feeds?) and quite frankly the reason Reznor is an entity of note at all is beyond comprehension.
Bravo to you Darren for daring to say the Emperor has no clothes.
He never claimed to be on your level.
He is much more than you,
And much more than you will ever be.
Period.
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I'll do the same with your album. I gave it a listen and there's nothing in it that would make me want to listen to it again... I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not my cup of tea. It is purely a matter of taste, there's no need to rant about it.
A MATTER OF TASTE - that's really all there is when it comes to music, I wish you could see that.
And wish I could give you a helpful advice on the other Problem(s) you have with Trent Reznor, but I already wasted enough time reading your post and writing this comment.
Best Regards,
b
You can't make a living on music? Welcome to the club. I play in a band, too (and all-instrumental band) and we have a CD and a website and we play tons crappy gigs where no one shows up...and we all work full time. We're in the band because we LOVE TO PLAY MUSIC. There's no glory in suffering for your art. If you want to go for it, by all means, go for it. But do it because you LOVE to do it, and don't complain about Trent Reznor or anybody else doing what they want, too.
Got rid of all the comments you didn't like?
That's grown-up.
Maybe you should spend less time whinning and more time on your music.
Just a thought...
Every musician is made up of their influences. Even you. The trick is to make sure you come through. Although I don’t know all of the influences of NIN I definitely hear Trent reznor and who he is, wants to be, pretends to be and etc. A lot of people connect to that sentiment. As a consumer of music I have to say that if someone placed some of your tracks vs. NIN I would identify NIN as the indie band. Only in that your music sounds like most of the stuff on the radio now. But I do hear in your voice the potential to be unique
Every musician is made up of their influences. Even you. The trick is to make sure you come through. Although I don’t know all of the influences of NIN I definitely hear Trent reznor and who he is, wants to be, pretends to be and etc. A lot of people connect to that sentiment. As a consumer of music I have to say that if someone placed some of your tracks vs. NIN I would identify NIN as the indie band. Only in that your music sounds like most of the stuff on the radio now. But I do hear in your voice the potential to be unique
dear me...
Boo.
But I did NOT d-load your tunes - I dunno if it my being trapped in dialup hell or being stuck out in the wastelands of central Ky or what but ever since Jefito became Popdose I can no longer get more than 13 seconds tops of any mp3 offered for listening. So I no longer come here to listen, I simply come to read....damn shame that, but I did like the editorial content change that began to include political references and other things alongside the music - it IS all of a pice in the long run anyway :)
SD
That said, Trent Reznor acolytes sure are childish whiners, aren't they? Most folks outgrow the "you're just jealous" line by high school. As for "just don't listen": If you have so little self-confidence that it makes you cry to see a little criticism of your preentious, humorless, eminently mockable idol, do yourself a favor and stop reading anything about him that isn't a fanboy blowjob.
not this waste of a blog with an obviously passive agressive agenda.
the real problem with this post is that nothing is fact. its all assumption and its all wrong. the only thing that's factually correct is trent has mansion in beverly hills.
trent did in fact promote his own cds for the last three releases. Year Zero (which you've clearly never listened to) had an extensive marketing campaign that was headed up by Mr. Reznor. He also started the remix.nin.com on his own accord and when the record company at the last minute decide not to back it, he did it himself. if that's not indie, i don't know what is.
Its also very manipulative to claim you respect Trent's work when the entire post is completely disrespectful.
oh and i'm so sure you didn't delete the comments. someone else must've deleted those nasty comments about how your music is subpar. since those are gone, i'll go ahead and restate: trent's never claimed to be indie, just independent of a record label.
However, the way you spin your point is fairly ridiculous. I have not read or heard a single interview where he has embraced the 'indie' culture you are mentioning. This doesn't make him any less independent, just not a member of what you, and likely many others, misconstrue as 'indie'. There are many independent artists out there and many of them with differing histories, income, and monetary investment. Fortunately for TR, and the NIN stakeholders, support has been plenty previous to his decision to be independent.
Secondly, you seem to proliferate some kind of idea that TR's music is somewhat prepackaged for the masses. Having listened to some of your tracks, which is clearly a goal of your post, makes me think do not have a clue about what you speak of. Have another listen to your own music before you make terrible accusations.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *gasp* /die
Crybaby.
Fixed.
LOL
And put your damn pants back on.
ass blog
Since when has he ever bitched about his house not being big enough? Or his car not flashy enough? Had he complained about those things instead of his personal issues then maybe you could sit there and say he is a whiny little brat, but seriously, all you did was make yourself sound like a little bitch complaining because someone who creates music you dislike, made it and you didn't and probably never will (yes, I listened to your tracks and now my ears bleed).
Had your argument been more constructive and less of a whine then maybe I'd have agreed on a few points.
Reznor lived in Pennsylvania with his grandma when he was a kid, he wasn't some trust-fund asshole fated to a life of financial success. He made his own success. So I find it a contradiction that you whine about money like a little bitch, and meanwhile say the true artist is required to be poor. It really shows where your heart is.
I agree, I'm not really a fan of his earlier stuff either, it's too poppy and repetitive for my taste. But his more personal/true music (i.e. Fixed, the Fragile, halo 17B, Ghosts 1-4) is no less credible than any other artist.
You're just a punk who gets off by trying to take other people down with you.
Arvo Pärt, Jack Kerouac, William Basinski, Taku Sugimoto, Morton Feldman, John Cage. These musicians need more attention, do you even know who they are? I bet, after 5 minutes on wikipedia, you'd say you do know them 'cause you're so fucking indie.
agreed. masturbate to animal collective and get a little stress off your chest. Or better yet, get laid.
advice: don't sing to her.
you are awesomeness of the awesome!
get yo sexy ass on down to nin.com and let the duped masses know what you think of his latest posing.
http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?9,548515,page=1
your clarity is so refreshing and well done for having your head on so straight.
don t listen to the "minions" on here... cos they obviously don t repsond to integrity.
It's your life. You do what you like.
on the other hand, i have to admit that i do agree that trent reznor is an overrated talentless douchebag. one thing is true though, "hurt" is a good song. other than than, meh.
i just don't buy into all his dark bullshit...seems insincere to me...like he just wants to show the world his "dark, edgy" side. plus he does whine too much.
it's cool for those who like him, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but after working in music stores selling his shit to dumb kids who think he's a god and buy anything with a NIN logo on it, i just find him and his music incredibly annoying.
so what if you dont like the music. you dont have to. and thats that. it really shows how jealous you are.
i dont like your music. but am i going to whine and bitch about it? no.
Hahaha
You are an artist..Reznor is an artist..however..a TRUE artist can appreciate another artist's work. I guess, maybe you do not exactly fit in that category. Also, it looks like you used Reznor and Ministry as "tags" to get your music noticed in the world of the internet..hmm, maybe you need Reznor after all.