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Popdose: Do You Hear What I Hear? In Defense of Dylan’s “Christmas in the Heart”

  • brokeastunes · 1 month ago
    Thanks yo so much for this. I'm even more cynical than most but I'm so sick of people who are attacking this and who don't get Bob's obvious sincerity. If one doesn't appreciate the HUGE amount of expression and artistry his vocals convey-well, there's any number of Idol shows with their perfect singers for ya.
  • autodidact · 1 month ago
    Well no, this is a straw man argument. The alternative is not American Idol vocalists. The alternative is real artists who can actually sing. I would cite Inara George's solo work. Don McLean. James Taylor, who just gets better and better.

    I once wrote a review of a Dylan album -- Modern Times, I think it was -- where I described Dylan as the musical equivalent of the proverbial dancing bear. What's amazing about a dancing bear is not that he dances so expertly, but that he dances at all. That's what we've come to with Dylan's voice. That he can sing at all is amazing, but that hardly makes it artistic. Dylan is now a circus act. Wasn't it Randy Newman who questioned if Dylan even HAD a late period? I'm pretty much in that camp. No offense to those who enjoy it. We all have our guilty pleasures. Yes, I confess. I like Norah Jones! [Hangs head]

    Bruce Cockburn made a Christmas album once. It is excellent. Track it down. Don't praise this one until you've heard Cockburn's.
  • dss · 1 month ago
    To autodidact... no one says this is the greatest Christmas album ever, so no need to listen to anyone elses effort before deciding if we like this one or not. Or if it deserves praise.

    Since Modern Times is one of my favorite albums, I'm much more likely to enjoy this one then you are. But that's just taste, not quality. The fact that it didn't strike a chord with you doesn't mean it isn't a great blues album. Many great blues singers have gravelly voices, it doesn't detract from the message.
  • jpkhs · 1 month ago
    Type your comment here.
    Re autodidact (Shall I take notes?)
    Yes, Bruce's album, especially "It Came Upon a Midnight Clear", paints a beautiful Christmas portrait, and I also highly recommend it.
    No, Dylan's Christmas album cannot touch Bruce's melodious delivery and imaginative arrangements. That said, cannot you extend a hand to Dylan and consider that he performed the selections given the voice he has and assuming he does so with the best of intentions? Ask Feeding America if they consider Dylan's generous in perpetuity royalty donations to be a dancing bear. Yes, that aspect counts; wouldn't you agree?
    Dylan's art lives on a neverending, perpetually expanding canvas; it's so much more than a human voice. Perhaps you should read and enjoy some Pirsig, autodidact.
    If Dylan is a circus act, perhaps you need to attend. I hear the circus is in town.
    Peace.
  • autodidact · 1 month ago
    How do I respond to you without sounding like Scrooge? I guess if I drop some food in the local donations for the hungry bin that should take care of the charitable urge. I don't think Bob is pursuing any aspect of his career for the wrong reasons. It's not about him. I'm just talking about the work itself.

    Although I am a big fan of Pirsig, I don't see how it makes the case for Dylan. Pirsig's thing was "quality" -- and at first in Zen he wrote about quality as if it was similar to Potter Stewart's take on pornography: We know it when we see it. Remember Porsig's classroom discussions and voting on which pieces of student writing had quality? Pirsig implied that we had an innate sense of quality. (Granted, this was a limited, unscientific experiment, but Pirsig wasn't approaching it from a hard science perspective. This is a practical explanation, not the full metaphysical Monty.) I don't think quality is just "what we like" it is more than that. I recognize quality in opera although I don't like opera. (And yes, I know this is an interpretation of quality that Pirsig would not agree with, but he does sort of use it in the book. In Pirsig's sequel, Lila, it seems to me that he actually redefined Quality, and there we're talking about something entirely different, so I'm leaving this aside because to me Lila was ultimately a failed attempt. Low quality. haha)

    I see quality in Dylan's "Things Have Changed." A sprawling, but very unique and interesting song, with a good hook. But "I'm in love with the ugliest girl in the world" or "My wife's home town." I'm afraid those are so bad it's not even funny. Amateur hour. Play those songs for a classroom full of writing students and see what kind of quality marks they get.

    Dancing bear circus? Nope, some high quality Cirque du Soleil for me, thanks. It's hard for an attack on Bob's music not to sound like an attack on his fans. I like much of his work, but lately (the last 15 years?) I really am failing to enjoy it, or even understand the apologists for it. Enjoy it, if you can. :)
  • Jamie Lyon · 1 month ago
    Until I heard it, I thought Bob was making a sad and desperate play to be included in this year's 'Mellowmas". But I agree wholeheartedly, it is genuine and sincere and just plain fun. I also think it shows tremendous heart that all of the proceeds go to feed the hungry. Somehow I don't see Mariah donating all of her profits from her next Christmas album to help feed the hungry, but I'm willing to be wrong!
  • jasonhare · 1 month ago
    I agree with you about it being genuine and sincere...but that doesn't mean it gets a pass from Mellowmas. We'll be seeing Mr. Zimmerman back here in just a couple of short months!
  • Jamie Lyon · 1 month ago
    I'm sure Mr. Dylan will be thrilled that he made it!!!
  • DwDunphy · 1 month ago
    I never mistook this album as a goof, especially because of Theme Time Radio Hour, of which this album is clearly a cousin. But to be thoroughly bloodless about it, Christmas albums make money. Some people continually lose their Christmas albums (where the hell did I put that Perry Como Christmas CD, anyway?) and rebuy the same titles every other year. That Dylan is donating all the proceeds makes this a pretty nice thing, especially if the darn thing catches fire and becomes perennial.
  • Eric S. · 1 month ago
    I see he adopted another Christmas album tradition - hideous cover art.
  • MAINEBOX · 1 month ago
    IT REALLY SUCKS
  • Daphin · 1 month ago
    Pete, I agree whole-heartedly. From the beginning I couldn't help but have a smile on my face; by the end the smile was even bigger. Gotta love that man!
  • don · 1 month ago
    It's a fine album and like most of his work will get better with age. Dylan is good wine!!
  • tessieteg · 1 month ago
    I just got my copy and haven't listened yet, i can't wait. I'm holding off. I don't care about his pipe I love Dylan and I loved "Together Through Life" it's one of my fave's, as i'm sure this will be one of my most played Christmas CD's.
  • anapufmama · 1 month ago
    why should anyone feel a need to "defend" Christmas in the Heart. If you don't love it, sorry for ya. It's Bob Dylan doing a Christmas album. That in itself is awsome. Can't touch him. Oh btw, his voice is like rolling thunder with honey on top and a freight train rumbling through.
    Bobbylicious.
  • iOpen · 1 month ago
    Oh btw, his voice is like rolling thunder with honey on top and a freight train rumbling through.....loved that comment....Can't touch him....very well said and very true.....any other artist out there that's won so many different types of prizes and got nominated for the Nobel Prize for Literature year after year...???....not that I know off....and even though I respect Obama...and don't mind him winning the Peace Prize without doing anything really noticable in that field yet (although I found Cairo one of the most amazing speeches ever, maybe after The Sermon On The Mount and I Have A Dream etc)...I think Bob actually earnt it for real to win either the Literature Prize or even the Peace Prize given all his anti-war and protest songs (oh, how I hate that terminology)....Bob, I think may be the most long-term influential person alive on the planet right now....and how I love him pointing to the name concealed within the word Christmas one whole CD long, just like in the good old days of Slow Train, Saved and Shot of Love (and many songs before and after)....love Little Drummer Boy....a man like him singing that he's a poor boy too, that he's got no gift to bring, that's fit to give a King,...shall I play for you on my drum..that's maybe the most sincere humble, statement anybody with a voice so wasted can sing...I've played my best for Him...unbelievable....just gotta love the man....he's just so amazing....can just imagine the Heavenly Trio up there listening....then He smiled at me....I must say I believe that to be very true.....almost 70, maybe with already one foot in the grave, paying a tribute like that...it blows my mind....
  • anapufmama · 1 month ago
    Yes iopen, agree with it all except..... his voice is not wasted, Its been pounded like a peice of precious metal into the fabulous piece of jewelery that is Dylans voice today. and the one foot in the grave? dont think so. He looked stronger than most 30 year old I know. I hope God has plans for him on earth for a long time yet. Seriously 68 is not old for a fit slim strong man like Bob. This album has made me actually look forward to Christmas so I can play it on rep for 12 days lol. A total swooner if you ask me.
    After just 2 hours of that gig, my muscles were burning from dancing and my voice is just coming back. He does that almost every night, and he works out and cycles. Bob old? OMB he still looks, and sounds so fine!!!
  • iOpen · 1 month ago
    Great comment, thanks for your reply! I totally agree with you and doubted my own choice of word when I said wasted, because I love his voice and about his foot in the grave...last week I wrote a comment on another article saying that if he makes it to 120 years that we still have his best work ahead of us, but sometimes I'm also a little more realistic about my favourite artist's chances of reaching that number. I saw him all three Amsterdam concerts this year and I think at least 40 times over the past 28 years all over the world, sometimes following his tours in my camper in California and all over Europe and met him in person three times, so some people call me a fan (another word I hate). So I'm on your side, believe me! ;-)
  • anapufmama · 1 month ago
    Nice one iOpen, Hey I lived in A/Dam for a few years. Wish I could drop everything and go follow him around. Life is too short to miss even one Dylan gig. Contact pufmama on youtube. I need to ask you something.
  • savage henry · 1 month ago
    The most woeful chapter in a fabled career.
    Can "Cinco de Mayo In The Heart" be far behind?
    Makes "Dylan & the Dead" look like "Blood on the Tracks".
  • pete_chianca · 1 month ago
    Loving all the discussion ... Funny that an album of Christmas favorites would be Bob's most divisive release in years! (Hmm ... Maybe that's what he had in mind all along.)
  • innkeeperseely · 1 month ago
    "Must be Santa" is a must click through even though the link to the actual video is broken, just search when you get there.